Monday, April 03, 2006

Sending out an SOS

Hey bloggers, I am in need of help/suggestions about my class topic for tomorrow. I am having trouble finding images on the internet and anything off the top of your smart heads would be appreciated.

I am going to show images & talk about the idea of drawing as index - meaning anything that leaves a trace, an imprint, a spill - so it is not about direct marks, but rather the residue of an action or a gesture, like automatism, or the residue of another object or texture, as in a rubbing or a stamp or a fingerprint, or the residue of another image, like a xerox or xerox transfer. I want to somehow tie this all together, I know these things are not necessarily visually related, but there is a thread that connects them. I want the students to experiment with these techniques in class and then work back into them with direct marks for homework. Does this make sense?

If you have suggestions of artists, that would be great, or if this sounds too vague, I am curious to know any thoughts.

I have images of the following already:

Max Ernst frottage
Henri Michaux frottage
Jackson Pollock drip
Morris Louis spill
Ana Mendieta arm drawings

90 comments:

sloth said...

palimpsest

sloth said...

I like it... "hand" and "not-hand"...

mountain man said...

Yeah, I am trying to get them to make unexpected drawings, is all. They tend to want to render everything, most of them anyway.

pd said...

Yves Klein? Body paintings and what not (aka ass prints)

krixfort said...

I am woefully unknowlegeable about such matters.

pd said...

you don't want to show them warhol's piss paintings--do you?

w.w. said...

janine antoni eyelash drawings (hate them, but they are an example anyway)
gary keuhn hockey puck drawings
ingrid calame stain renderings

JD said...

Yeah, PD, I was thinking of Klein too. MM, you could talk about printmaking ideas brought into a drawing context, like stamping, monoprinting, or even drawing into/over Warhol-like photo appropriations. Though that's getting into different territory, I guess.

sloth said...

Keith Boadwee

w.w. said...

this is what hockey puck drawings look like.

w.w. said...

oh shit - of course! david hammons harlem dirt basketball drawings.

pd said...

Good choices with the sports, w.w. I love the puck drawings. Who did the tire track darwings? Was that Rauschenberg?

sloth said...

I remember some really great Polkes in the 80's where he used rock salt & got beautiful chemical reactions to happen on the canvas... beautiful.

Andy Warhol piss-on-copper...

sloth said...

sorry to say beautiful twice. now thrice.

mountain man said...

YES, thank you guys! I knew you would brainstorm some good ones. My mind tends to go blank sometimes.

Painter said...

http://www.jamescohan.com/artists/ingridcalame/index.html?page=1&num_pages=2&image=2038


INGRID CALAME
Maybe this is not what you are going for.

w.w. said...

dude.

fairy butler said...

all i could come up with was calame and yves klein off the top of my head... thinking on this though. thinking...

w.w. said...

liz-n-val his-n-hers pussy-weiner monoprints. just kidding.

Mountain Man said...

Oh no, WW, that's exactly what I am doing. Tomorrow, in class, wiener print demo. First I will burn it, then I will ink it up and print.

pd said...

Yes, it was Rauschenberg and John Cage who did the tire tracks drawing on a scroll. Just my speed.

sloth said...

yes, THANK YOU pd, I was racking my brain. Much of the stuff I'm thinking of has a more conceptual bent, less about the mark itself, more about how it was made. hmm.

Mountain Man said...

This is great...though some of it is hard to find online unfortunately. It's taking forever.

Can anyone think of some good smoke/burn drawings?

MM said...

JD, I am definitely getting a little into stamping/printing, but don't want to veer too much into printmaking. Just make the connection.

Tire drawings, will check those out.

bb said...

you read my mind ww. i have a good image of a David Hammons BBall - shall I send it to you?

MM said...

BB, that would be amazing. Do you have my email?

JD said...

WW, that hockey puck drawing is great. Hey, Sloth, who is Keith Boadwee? I'm very very ignorant. Will google him now.

w.w. said...

francis alys - the leak

bb said...

I don't MM...

pd said...

Why am I wishing that Ed Keinholz had a target shot full of bullet holes? But I don't think any 2-D product came from his deadly works.
But it would be fun to be packing in class, huh MM?

pd said...

All I know about Keith is the Ridykeulous connection and that he has great taste in music.

JD said...

Oh, I know who Boadwee is now, thanks to google. Good reference, Sloth! I need him to come to my studio to help me make my art better.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1248/is_n10_v83/ai_17418212

bb said...

what about jackie winsor? Didn't she like, blow up a box or something?

w.w. said...

koko the gorilla

bb said...

DAMN! Koko's good...
That's it, I'm hangin' it up.

sloth said...

mm, Hernan Bas uses monoprint elements in his work... makes it more innerestin:

http://www.saatchi-gallery.co.uk/artists/artpages/bas_Red_Herring.htm

pd said...

Yes, Boadawee was mentioned in an interview with Bill Arning years back, where Bill talked about the "iconography of the asshole."

MM said...

BB = doodlebug666@aol.com

MM said...

Koko is the best, yes.

Thanks Sloth.

Can you believe there are no images of the tire print? Crazy.

sloth said...

William S. Burroughs did shot-up paintings.

pd said...

Thanks Sloth, I knew they existed in some form. I think Charle Bronson did some too.
I know MM, the tires are hard to find. I do remember seeing a couple of repros way back.

pd said...

Charles, i mean.

w.w. said...

didn't anyone smear poo to great effect? oh, how about hammons kool aid drawings. and robert morris blind drawings.

MM said...

The blind time drawings are perfect. WW you should be teaching this, not me!

w.w. said...

if i were to teach it, chum would be thrown. the index would be one with the chum.

MM said...

That is what I would like to do but am not brave enough. I want to douse the students with chum. It is their reward.

bb said...

How about that guy who's really blind who shows at Cohan and Leslie who puts all his post-its together...
that's chance-y, right?

sloth said...

MM, I believe the beautiful painting posted on Team Shredder blog has the qualities you are looking for, in the bush areas. Sponge work.

sloth said...

There is an artist who did paintings or prints with a clothing iron. I am retarded, can't think of who it is.

fairy butler said...

did someone give you the gunpowder drawings yet?
cai guo-qiang

the whole thing is documented here:
http://www.asiasociety.org/arts/cai_drawings.html

JD said...

Sloth, is it Willie Cole?

w.w. said...

bb, that's joseph grigely. he's actually deaf, not blind.

Corny said...

dieter roth

bb said...

Oops!
He still counts sort of... ?

Corny said...

pat steir's drips
Roxy Paine's paint machines?

sloth said...

YES jd, thank you ...

http://www.moma.org/education/openends/guide/overview/04cole.html

Corny said...

Gerhart richter, martin kippenburger and Polk all believed in randomness of imagery, no heirarchy...

sloth said...

dieter roth, brilliant. Google image search reveals a lovely lightbulb painting, corny.

Corny said...

Sloth you mean Willi Cole, african american artist, makes drawings with an iron...?

fairy butler said...

yeah, i was thinking about polke and xerox - but finding images online i could not.

sloth said...

yes corns, URL posted above...

pd said...

Also, Sam Gilliam who pours all sorts of stuff on canvas, wraps it up andsteps on it and stuff, then opens it....

fairy butler said...

what about the hirst spin art? too painty maybe?

Corny said...

There is a california artist who is jayson Rhodes mentor who made a giant spinart machine in the old zwirner space in collaboration with jayson letting the paint fly all over the walls, did anyone see that? it was wild.
maybe Damian Hirst's spin art paintings?

pd said...

Does Lucio Fontana count, with his cutting moves? I heart him

MM said...

Can I just tell you that you guys are amazing? Thank you so much!

Corny said...

Fb, were thinking eachothers thoughts.

fairy butler said...

whoa, synchronicity there corns.

pd said...

FB & Corns--I was just thinking of Hirst.

hammy said...

nancy spero or is that straight up printmaking?

Corny said...

Bridgit berlin made prints with her
dirty pillows.

MM said...

I was thinking of Spero, will have to look up all this stuff. SLOW SLOW SLOW this project is.

MM said...

Dirty pillow prints are my second favorite.

36 c said...

Yes to pillows.

Corny said...

Helen Chadwick piss flowers.
amazing!!!

fb said...

there have to be more imprinters-tracers out there. it's in my mind's eye but i cannot grasp...

Corny said...

Chadwick

sloth said...

did someone already say Polly Apfelbaum? Polly Apfelbaum.

fb said...

portia munson's menstrual blood "prints"?

pd said...

Linda Benglis.

bb said...

Spiral Jetty! That's a drawing.
ok I'm out.

spiral turd in toilet said...

am i too a drawing?

vapor eyes said...

I love Spiral shitty.

martin said...

roland flexner, niki de st. phalle and margaret evangeline gun stuff, spin art (d. hirst and w. robinson), rosemarie fiore....

mountain man said...

thanks martin! i thought of flexner too, will check out the others. in the meantime, i made a new post about it...it's fun to look at the images all together.

exu said...

dennis hollingswoth,sorta

exudyslexy said...

hollingsworth,that is

mountain man said...

Thank you Exu, will look up.

Prickly said...

Chuck Close’s fingerprint portrait of the composer Philip Glass

Mishy said...

Hmm... Funny to see these puck drawings by Gary - when I was a graduate student at Rutgers another prof, Liss Platt, was making puck paintings. She even exhibited them in the Mason Gross Gallery on campus! Here is a link to the work: http://www.humanities.mcmaster.ca/~plattl/artist/ccore.html (click on puck paintings).